Sunday was book club day…and it was a beautiful day to grill some burgers, blend some whiskey sours and Pink Panties (frozen pink lemonade concentrate, one part Bacardi Limon, one part Bacardi Razz, and ice), and discuss some fine literature.
The group consists of about 20 young professionals, guys and girls, started by one of my good friends “Stay Hype” and one of his co-workers. Most of the members work with them at Chase, with a few strays like me thrown in for good measure.
We meet once a month at a member’s house, cook and chill. Everyone puts $5 in the pot and every month a member wins the dough and then chooses the next book to be read and discussed. This is repeated until everyone wins.
So this month “Shawn the Boy” (cuz there’s also a girl named Shawn) picked Dutch I & II. Most of the young Bankers, Home Equity Counselors and Mortgage Consultants in the group had already read them, so I was a few steps behind. I was still getting over last month’s pick: Sheisty and Still Sheisty. That discussion was great fun, because I know the author and got her on the phone to discuss the books with the group. I was the book club hero.
Everyone was pissed that Teri Woods wasn’t calling in this month. Sue me. I don’t like her.
So let me get to the point…because there is a point. One of the things we discussed was Dutch’s character. If you haven’t had the pleasure of reading this national treasure here’s the official book synopsis:
DUTCH: The First of a Trilogy tells the story of Bernard James a.k.a. Dutch the most dangerous and feared gangster to come up in Jersey in the last thirty years. From his experience and skill as a young car thief, Dutch recognized the opportunity to ruthlessly become the ruler of the streets and grabbed it. After serving 18 months in prison for a botched auto theft, Dutch promised himself, he’d never return to prison. Once out, he never looked back.
And here’s one reader’s review posted on Amazon:
FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO LET THE AUTHOR KNOW THAT SHE DID HER THUG THIZZEL W/ THIS BOOK. IT WAS BY FAR THE BEST BOOK THAT I HAVE EVER READ, AND I READ ALOT. DESPITE THE FACT THAT DUTCH WAS A COLD HEARTED KILLER THIS MAN HAD ME MEZMERIZIED.THROUGH ALL THE BAD I SAW PAST INTO THE GOODNESS AND SENCERITY OF HIS HEART. LONGING TO BE GRACED WITH HIS BEAUTIFUL SMILE.TO FIND A BOOK WRITTEN SO REALISTICLY, IT WAS LIKE THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS JUST STANDING SOME WHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF JERSEY WATCHING EVERY THING THAT TERI WROTE GO DOWN FRONT AND CENTER. TO ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THIS BOOK. YOU ARE MISSING OUT: PLEASE, I ASK YOU NOT TO DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF THE TRUE ENTERTAINMENT THAT THIS BOOK HAS TO OFFER.BUT THE QUESTION THAT I WANT ANSWERED. WAS THIS OR WAS THIS NOT A TRUE STORY? B/C IF NOT AND THERE IS A REAL DUTCH SOME WHERE IN THIS WORLD I NEED TO FIND HIM. BECAUSE WITH OUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT DUTCH AND I COULD OVER COME ALL OF LIFES OBSTICALS, TRIALS, AND TRIBULATIONS. I NEED A MAN LIKE DUTCH IN MY LIFE.
So we go around to every woman in attendance and answer the question:
Would you get involved with a guy like Dutch if he approached you?
I watched in wonder (horror) as the answers ranged from resounding YESses, to less emphatic, but still decidedly affirmative Sho Nuffs.
Wise, what about you? Would you mess with Dutch?
At this point I feel like how the only Jewish kid in elementary school must feel the first day back from Christmas break: “And what did you get for C-Mas Joshua Steinberg?”
Silence. Looks down.
“Well, I like nerds,” I say…wait for a laugh track that never comes…”Plus I would feel way out of my element dealing with Dutch, since I’m just not familiar with that lifestyle.”
Crickets.
The only other even remotely similar response was from this girl who said she prefers her man to be at home with her, so she wouldn’t be able to handle Dutch being out of town, and out in the streets.
Here were some other rationalizations…
“He was just so smooth, and respectful in how her approached her. I would definitely take notice. What woman doesn’t want to be treated well, wined and dined and treated like a queen?”
“Shit, would I fuck with a nigga who pays my bills ON TIME and treats me right? Hell muhfuckin yeah! If I didn’t have bills that would mean I’m white, and he wouldn’t fuck with me. So hell yeah! You just make sure you set your own shit aside. Open up your accounts. Have him sign off on some good insurance. Make sure that shit stays current. Be straight. What!”
“I wouldn’t get serious with him, because I wouldn’t feel safe being his woman, but I would mess with him and play him.”
“When I was young yes, I would. But now that I’m older and have kids, I would have to really think twice about it.”
“As long as he has me living waaaaay out where nobody knew where I was, I would.”
“I would but, I just don’t think I could walk around town and really feel safe. I would feel like I always gotta look over my shoulder.”
“I have dated men like Dutch, and there is too much drama. But there are a lot of benefits too, so I wouldn’t just brush him off.”
“His charm was just so intoxicating. How could I not be curious?”
“Now y’all know I’m a thug to the core. So you KNOW!”
“I like nerds.” And I was only half kidding.
But I realize that there's a certain image that pops up when you say nerd. Or thug. Or stripper.
And that's not necessarily a universal image. When I say nerd I'm not thinking Urkel. So were they really thinking/wanting Dutch??
And was it wrong of me to look at these women in a whole new light because of this disclosure? I mean, I’m certain they’re like, “What the fuck kinda answer was that? Wise is a dummy. A nerd?”
The assumption that almost everyone cosigned was that every woman likes a little bit of thug in her man. I kind of understand the undertone…no one wants a punk. And y’all know how I feel about bitches. But in my world, there’s a difference between wanting a little thug and wanting a man who can defend you. Who says a nerd can’t do that?
And who says a thug can’t be attentive, compassionate, loyal, and emotionally available?
But I couldn’t help but think that this kind of rationalizing character expectations is what gets us (women and men) into trouble sometimes. Do women REALLY prefer bad guys, or do they just want a man who will protect and take control? Do thugs have a monopoly on these traits?
Not any more than women who wear their Cleveland like padded accessories hold the patent on sex appeal and nipple rings.
I mean, I just cant imagine ANY woman, from the streets or otherwise, would WANT to live with a target on her back, in constant fear of prison or death, not knowing if her man will come home at night…Even if her man keeps her laced in the illest snakes, bank rolls and shit, back rubs in the French tub.
[I really don’t put it past dudes to really want to wife the chick with her azz out 24/7]
Are we all just confused? Obsessed with labels?
I think so…until I find my perfect nerd.
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The bad guy has a purpose. but being a husband isnt one of them.whats interesting is the different lables that get attached. Who's to say who is bad and whos a pansey? one may think one, while someone else could think the opposite. Anyhow. the thug exists to exorcise certain "demons". I can relate to both the nerd and...well not the thug- but the irresponsble, happy go lucky witty guy who seemingly skates along in life with opportunities sliding in at home plate.
Ive served the purpose to be a "husband" like guy and a fuck buddy to someone dating and engaged to "Biff".
Shit.i i lost focus. been into a bottle of single malt scotch and a soldering iron tonite. Dont ask. its not sexual.
peace be with you
ace.,
I once saw somewhere that oversimplification is the 8th deadly sin. Labels like 'thug' and 'nerd' are of course oversimplifications of a person's personality.
but that being said, simplifications and generalisations obviously have their place especially when we have to make snap assessments of ppl. CHANCES are that a nerd wouldn't be assertive, and CHANCES are that a thug wouldn't be compassionate. sometimes making such broad judgements is useful even if not always advisable.
Are we all confused? of course. knowing what we REALLY want is harder than it sounds. our wants are shaped by so many things that it is sometimes hard to pin them down. And I think that is particularly true when it comes to knowing what we want out of a significant other.
I'll send all the nerds I know over to NYC to help you on your quest to find the perfect one. :o)
Well, all right. Good to hear there is still hope for us nerds out here. But I think once you get grown, the nerd type is much more appealing b/c of the stability. Us men go through something similar. Every man has to go through the "hoochie" phase, but when it comes down to a grown folks relationship, we want someone who you can take home to the fam without being embarrassed.
This harkens back to something I hinted at during the interracial post which is that the brothers who outwardly exude qualities and interests outside of what is portrayed as "Hood" the females in the hood and of the hood can't process you. Some of the sisters who usually do share some of the same qualities tend to want to date outside the race, still knowingly take up with lowlifes or are so busy evolving we pass each other like ships in the night. In any event when people get a little older, yes, they will come around but sometimes, by that time, the mind in jaded, there are x amount of children, and many women even when they get a little older still see "non thugs" as rest havens and tricks where they can retire to for security and stability. You've just seen it for yourself SoWise. As long as sisters have that mentality and not realize that anybody may be capable of anything, mackin', manipulating, distrust, us not communicating to you all etc will continue. We either give in to madness and be who we are not or persevere. Until the coming of the Goddess, Too Short "Freaky Tales"! Anonymous Detroit.
Yes, I think we all get caught up in labels. We look at the cover before we bother to read the book.
Me, I like nerds. I did like thugs, but you know what, I do not like convos like are you in jail now? When can you get out? So you gotta lay low for a while huh?
Seriously though, it is just human nature. We all do it. For instance the quiet girl is stuck up, shy etc the quiet guy is gay, scary or a nerd. On the real they are just looking at the landscape and figuring stuff out usually. It has been done to me and I do it to others. Then one day you wake up and realize that you are multifaceted and so is everyone else. Eureka. Life starts becoming interesting again.
OK, so I grew up in a rough hood, right? And everybody's a G, right? So if you're different, you're a marked man. So I fought. Daily. And I grew. And I played football. And grew more. And got myself educated. And even more education. So now, I stand 6'3", 300, battle scarred.
OK, so I got this job, right? And I basically gotta do what my boss says, right? But these cats pay me, right? So my life is generally danger-free, right?
What makes a muthafucka think a nerd don't have an "edge"? I will hurt a thug's fucking feelings.
KZ
I am with you Wise...I like "nerds"...that aren't punks.
I know a whole helluva lotta chicks that like thugs....I can't relate. I haven't read the book but...it's probable that I have picked up the book, read the synopsis and put it right back on the shelf.....gangsta living, not so much my style...SON!
I don't understand the "slang", the mentailty and I have a low tolerance for bullshit. So I'd be the worse type of chick for one of these men that need a "ride or die" chick... fuckallthatbullshittalk...getthefuckouttahere... See...I'd ended up getting my mouth popped.
Yes, people are obsessed with labels. Like you said when you say nerd, people have a preconceived picture of a Steve Urkel type dude in there head.
The problem is that it seems to me that you want a guy that is well-rounded and able to articulatly express his thoughts and opinions. Why does someone having those traits have to be a nerd?
What really makes a person a thug? When I was in undergrad I kept hearing folks talk about being thugs and the like, but I'd ask since when do "thugs" go to college?
So once we break out of trying to classify individuals into certain groups based off of one distinct trait maybe we can eleviate labels (even though I doubt that will ever happen).
Plus I do believe that there answeres say a lot about them.
.............and.....i just want to point out that i think there is a higher degree of probability of a classic "nerd" being a "Bitch Dude" (your term) than a thug.
As always the shades of gray in between the extremes you've called out are vast. Im in there somewhere, i think. hope.
peace,
ace
i love the nerd with a 'thug-like' crust.
have a hard shell but be vulnerable and sticky and compelling when cracked open.
have my back but know about baroque.
i'm too much of a nerd myself, but i also cuss and am both crass and candid. a nerd who ain't down like that will be scared off and i ain't got time for that shit.
oh, and to answer your question...we're all confused and obsessed with labels. i'll get into the reason why later. LOL
Rev says..."Ive served the purpose to be a "husband" like guy and a fuck buddy to someone dating and engaged to "Biff".
Shit.i i lost focus. been into a bottle of single malt scotch and a soldering iron tonite. Dont ask. its not sexual."
Now this is EXACTLY why I'ma need you to get good and personal on your blog...SOON. lol
My Neil...Have you been reading my diary again? I couldn't have said it better...and I did actually try in this post. ;)
TCas...there will always be room in my heart for the socially adept nerds of the world. But how come women arent "embarrassed" to bring Dutch home...or are they?
Detroit says..."brothers who outwardly exude qualities and interests outside of what is portrayed as "Hood" the females in the hood and of the hood can't process you."
So true. I do remember you bringing up how brothas who are into science or Jack Lalanne types are often considered weird. And it cuts many different ways...it's easy to get caught up in this type of thinking. And I'm seeing more and more that it's probably jut a defense mechanism...another device we use to box people in, to categorize and to simplify this whole ridiculous maze of mating and dating. sigh.
Enigma says..."I did like thugs, but you know what, I do not like convos like are you in jail now? When can you get out? So you gotta lay low for a while huh?"
oKAY! And very true about how we process quiet folks, etc. Great ways to avoid having to figure ourselves out.
KZ is clearly my new crush.
Blah...I mean, yeah I guess every thug needs a lady and all...but at the cost of a busted lip? lol
Young Montez...You are absolutely right...that is the type of guy I love, and why should he be labeled a nerd? "Labels are for soup cans"...I heard that on TV once and I dig that...yet it appears I'm guilty as charged. But you see, things are too complex as is, shit is way political and the genders can't seem to be able to "figure each other out" so labels actual exist and persist as a means of keeping things simple. Not that I think that's right or anything.
And Rev...you MIGHT be right about that...which is why there is a very thin line btwn the type of nerds I'm into. But some of the highest profile bitch dudes carry the thug persona like a handbag, ie AI, Mike Tyson and Cam'ron.
Nikki says..."have my back but know about baroque."
Precisely!
I'm down for the nerds.. sorry, that thug shit is just a headache as far as i'm concerned. Nerds Unite! lol
I am a nerd and thats on the real. I grew up poor and in the hood but I am a erd. I understand that being a thug is only gonna get me in jail or killed and those options dont look too pretty for me.
When I was younger, I used ot be a super nerd. I was always reading and writing. I did everything a nerd was suppose to do. But, I benefitted. I was in the accelerated classes. I ended up going to the best schools and getting the best education.
I am still a nerd today but my social skills are a lot better. I talk to people more. Women like me. I have a large group of friends. Last year I took 3 girls from a dude who was suppose to be "gangsta". How thug is that???
my dream man has and always will be a thug rocket scientist! I grew up in the East Side of Oakland, so I knew the importance of street smarts early. My middle class relatively vanilla black family life made me wanna run and get some thug love in my catholic school uniform.
i ran the streets with thugs, got laced with diamonds and jewels, all of that! As well the high speed chases, the guns, the visiting folks in jail, the funerals of friend.
The streets are no where to call home.
Oddly enuff I always had a nerd on the side, b/c on the inside I'm a nerd. So these days I would rather a bootstrap man, with an edge, than a dude living on the edge...cuz i'm too old and tired for collect calls from jail and drama!
i over posted! i'm sorry!
I hate Epsi for that :
"Last year I took 3 girls from a dude who was suppose to be "gangsta". How thug is that???"
LoL I'll co-sign his:
" I am a nerd and thats on the real. I grew up poor and in the hood but I am a erd. I understand that being a thug is only gonna get me in jail or killed and those options dont look too pretty for me."
My lack of thug appeal has got me in a bit of a runt, but I'm handling mines so it's no biggie.
My last girlfriend dumped me for a thug, when while we were in a relationship girlfriend said she was feeling me, cause I was unlike anyone she'd ever been with. But the thug won out, so how much did she really like me for what I was? Hmm friggin liar, let me stop the bitterness.
I think there needs to be balance a man should be intelligent, driven, focused, and able to provide that much needed emotional, financial, and physical security. Let's face it people often want the piece of paper, and the piece of mind, and they love when they can have both! Relationships are however supposed to make you secure in who you are, and what you can be.
Ya know I tend to judge women and put them in the dumb bitch category when they tell me they've dated a cat who hustled. I hate that SHIT!!!! They get caught up in the gifts and the never ending spending money. Dumb Bitches so blind that they never saw who the Hustle cat really was. An abusive, extreeemley paranoid, obsessive, compulsive liar with a chick just like her in another part of the city. DUMB BITCHES!!! when the relationship is over. They're so broken and afraid that a good guy with a career that doesn't involve a money counter is constantly playing catch up trying to please a woman who's last boyfriend bought her a benz for her B-day.
DUMB BITCHES!!!!
nicely put, Slish.
Amen. Or should I say Amen-Ra. Anyway Rock on Eps, j-montez and all others and c-nel stay positive you're not alone believe me. It's always necessary to know the streets etc but it's just as necessary to know other phases of life because one aspect of things on earth affects the others. Bless up. Anonymous Detroit.
i know labels very well. i label myself a nerd because i was and continue to be. i don't have a problem with what i call myself. i think it's when folk think they know me, i can get rowdy.
i've never been attracted to the "thug" type. i'm a goodie goodie :)
oh hell no you ain't wrong for looking at them differently. clearly i'm like what kinda chickenhead... come on now. a thug? how does that sound like someone i want? always on the street? hell no. get a real job. i'll take the buff nerd anyday. at least he won't go to jail for what he does.
Equal Opp...What if the nerd leaves his boxers on? HAHA
Eps...What I like about you is that you seem quite sincere and comfortable with yourself. That's very attractive. The nerd rite of passage is sociability. That's when they grew their wings and turn into sexy butterflies. :)
Miss Ahmad...Overposts are encouraged here. :) So you're a reformed street-runner. Given your background, what was the draw? And how did you fit in?
Cnelly...Whatev...didn't you look at your ex differently when she up and ran after the thug? I think one thing that lures women (and men for that matter) to thugs, or bad guys is that their lifestyle promises to take a girl completely out of hers. Lots of chicks want to be rescued, and good guys just don't seem to have the same mileage. But judgmental or not, dammit I do think it says something about a chick who WANTS that shit. A lot of time I think what it says is "I'm young."
How you REALLY feel Slishy? ;) I had a feeling you'd react that way, bec you (appear to be) a genuine guy with genuine things to offer a woman. And I can also see you attracting high maintenance women coming behind the thug who enable them. Poor Slishy.
Aqua...I should have prefaced this whole post by admitting to being a bona fide Blog Thug. That's real. lol
Jameil...Spoken like a true Hamptonian.:) Did I ever tell you I was OBSESSED with Hampton after I visited JR year in HS. I'm all up in my senior yearbook wearing HU gear. SO glad I didn't go...not that the 'Cuse was a much better fit. lol
HAHAHAHA.. a nerd doesn't leave on his boxers.. only an asshole weirdo psuedo thug does that shit!
I think it's just a conquest. women like to conquer the wild horse that doesn't look like he can be tamed. it doesn't even have to be a thug. he can be a smooth kat that no woman can get to settle down. but women will mess with him, knowing that he messes around a lot, hoping to be the one. or perhaps, they live on the edge vicariously through the thugs and bad boys. i've been on both ends and i prefer the untamable side; from experience, i get better treatment from women. the security provider, it's just a matter of time before he gets dumped or played or "accidentally" cheated on... sucka ass nigga.
It's part of human nature to want a challenge, and that's what the bad guy provides. But that goes both ways...men are also drawn to challenges...they want the girl that they can't have in some way. But I think that with maturity, people eventually settle for the "nerd"..because they realize the nerd provides stability.
I think it’s great that you have a book club get together. I don’t have a group of friends that would be interested in the kind of books that I enjoy. Then again, maybe I should start one here in Chicago… it’s something to think about.
Personally, as far as dating goes, I have some basic fundamentals I need in order to take a woman seriously in the romantic sense. None of them borders on being “hard.” But I guess men and women are looking at different things on the whole when we look at dates and mates.
All in all, I always resist having a “type.” I think “badboys”/“thugs” are appearance types. In my experience, appearances don’t do much for me, in time they fade and the genuine person comes out. Seems to be the same with women. So ultimately, I’m willing to give a woman a chance who satisfies what I think are fundamental qualities for my partner to have.
I think growing up in the 80's in a black city where crack was king, that street element became the dominant factor. it took over oakland! it was the a time of excess and going over board and truthfully black people had never had money like that in their communities prior to the arrival of the crack generation. So for a minute (read teenage years) it was easy to be enthralled.
I went to junior high and high school with kids who made more money than my parents. (read six figure income kids at 13 and 14 years old)
it would take a few years for the crippling effect of crack to really show it's ugly head and let the black community know that we would never be the same...
it wouldn't take but one hot summer for me to see these young boys killed in the streets. Mr Slish I agree that participating in this behavior as an adult is reckless criminal and plain stupid..but kids will be kids!
Equal Opp...That shit was funny...and completely baffling! Who DOES that??? ;)
Saga says..."i've been on both ends and i prefer the untamable side; from experience, i get better treatment from women. the security provider, it's just a matter of time before he gets dumped or played or "accidentally" cheated on... sucka ass nigga."
That's funny. And it sure says a lot about the chicks...or you for pursuing them. lol
LS...It's true, a lot of the chicks said that they would mess with a guy like Dutch bec they realize they have a habit of trying to "save" a guy. If there is a glimmer of remorse about the fast life or if they say they want to leave the game, the women think they can help them do it. Who's to say they can't. Seems true too of guys, I guess. I'm not sure if you literally mean "settle"...but for me the nerd is my preference, not the fallback, even if they're not all that "stable" just yet.
Hey Game...funny thing is that Dutch is about the last book I'd wanna read by choice! I'm never into the book selections, but meeting and... ok really EATING is why I go! But you should start a book club.
" In my experience, appearances don’t do much for me, in time they fade and the genuine person comes out. Seems to be the same with women. So ultimately, I’m willing to give a woman a chance who satisfies what I think are fundamental qualities for my partner to have."
My sentiments exactly! I hope you get your bog groove back...I'm always interested in what guys have to say!
Miss Aahmad....Makes sense. That is so deep...13 yr olds making 6 figures. You're right...kids will be kids...and then they grow up...
the cover made me think of Mobb Deep's new album title "Blood Money"...
LMAO!! why it gotta be all that wise?!! see that ain't right! lolol. i'm sayin. that did sound kinda stuck up in retrospect but for real. that's how i feel. what's the purpose in tact on a blog? none, i say. go pirates!! why are you so glad you didn't go? why didn't you? i'm so glad i did.
"HAHAHAHA.. a nerd doesn't leave on his boxers.. only an asshole weirdo psuedo thug does that shit!"
Enter Devil's Advocate: Not that i advocate the above- I think its fair to say that without knowing the circumstance of location, situation, and partner(s)- it may have been---appropriate?
I'm with Nikki: I want a nerd with a "thug-like" crust. (have my back & know baroque - CLASSICK line.)
I feel I'm an interesting hybrid (intellectual round the way girl) and I look for the same in a dude.
You know. A man who can handle his both corporate & hood style gets my panties wet.
Here's to all the geek thugs!
The labels are dangerous. It's like that stupid Destiny's Child song that was popular 'Soldier'. There's this idea that people are one thing. Either your a thug, or a nerd. We glamorize one and make fun of the other. Maybe we should examine as a community why we're glamorizing something that is so destructive and why it turns us on so much. Great post.
Prof...probably some ghetto stock photo. lol
Now Jameil...You know I don't care much for tact. lol Nothing against your alma mater, really...Let's just say that after being cool with some HU grads, I knew it probably wasn't the right place for me. But people who did go tend to LOVE it. I didnt go bec they didn't give up enough dough...but I REALLY didn't go bec my parents convinced me to go to the 'Cuse cuz it was closer to home. I agreed cuz my brothers went away far for school and always seemed pressed to get home during holidays...plus my best friend was going to the Cuse and I couldn't bear to have her try to brag about the superior TV facilities at the white school!
Rev...Appropriate? Uh no. Here it is El Diablo...You decide: http://equalopportunitycrush.blogspot.com/2006/04/another-time-passer-part-deux.html
Supa...oKAY! That's the spice of life...the anomaly...the culturally ambiguous...The Straddler. THAT dude!
Miz JJ...How insipid was that DC song? That's a whole 'nother post in and of itself!
yep- i stand corrected. thats......odd.
What about the REGULAR dudes? That's what I want. 10% of guys are thugs, 10% are nerds (true geeky nerds who love cheese and live with their moms), but the majority of guys are just regular dudes that just go to work, pay bills and watch football.
The character in that book is way out of my lane. I don't even see how me and someone like that will ever cross paths.
Thank you for defining "regular dude" I now know that i do not fall under that definition. As least i know what i'm not!
Electric post. It's good to see that brothers and sisters are not quite as robotic as we're made to seem. Brawn, Brains, Bravery, and Beef Baby!!!! By the way. Happy Mother's Day to all your Mother's and all of you who are Mother's. Anonymous Detroit.
you're glad b/c of the tvs!!!!!!!!!!!! ha!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!
Liqs and TV...You're right about the percentage breakdown...but don't you think a good majority of that remaining 80% is trying really hard to pose as one of the 10% extremes? No one likes to be just "regular"...esp not dudes getting no azz.
And like you, me and Dutch don't know none of the same people...probably true of some of the women in my book club...but that didn't hinder their fantasizing regardless!
Rev says..."As least i know what i'm not!"
Yup...and I know I'd make a sorry azz ride or die chick!
That's right Anon..Happy Baby Mama Day to all the ride or die chicks!
Jameil...not bec of the "TVs"... bec of the TV STATIONS, as in, the Communications depts! She would always be an azzhole and say, 'do they even have editing suites at Hampton?' lol
DP...Not that I disagree AT ALL, but fiction or not, isn't that the allure of charm, or swagger...the likability factor? It is terribly shortsighted, hell yes...but what I'm understanding is that some women are willing to be co-conspirators just as they might be willing to get a second (tax-free) job...all in exchange for the trouble of fucking wit a dude who they think has potential, can protect them, and just needs a strong woman to help them leave the game.
Still not very convincing, huh? Bullshit, I know. lol
of course they have editing suites at hampton you hater!!!!!!
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